{"id":11339,"date":"2013-05-29T14:51:51","date_gmt":"2013-05-29T12:51:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/?p=11339"},"modified":"2016-09-13T14:39:57","modified_gmt":"2016-09-13T12:39:57","slug":"the-act-of-killing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/2013\/05\/the-act-of-killing\/","title":{"rendered":"The Act of killing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The Act of killing<br \/>\n\u00ab Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 02:58:06 pm \u00bb<\/p>\n<p><iframe src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/1kssnOoJ93I\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 300px; float: left;\">\n<blockquote style=\"margin-right: 15px; margin-left: 0px;\">\n<p>\u00a0\u00bb <strong>rawhful<\/strong> 2 months ago<br \/>\nI just saw this film today. It is one of the darkest, most intense films I have ever seen. One of the best documentaries ever made in my opinion. The tone of the film is both arresting and surreal, and it plunges the depths of human cruelty in a way that is completely unique. \u00ab\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote style=\"margin-right: 15px; margin-left: 0px;\">\n<p>\u00ab\u00a0Dans cette sc\u00e8ne, l&rsquo;un des criminels explique aux autres que s&rsquo;ils acceptent de jouer dans mon film, leur vrais visages vont \u00eatre d\u00e9voil\u00e9s, la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 sur leurs crimes va \u00eatre r\u00e9v\u00e9l\u00e9e et les Indon\u00e9siens vont enfin avoir la confirmation de ce qu&rsquo;ils savent d\u00e9j\u00e0, \u00e0 savoir que le gouvernement leur ment depuis 1965. Apr\u00e8s ce film, il n&rsquo;y a pas de retour en arri\u00e8re possible, les g\u00e9nocidaires savent qu&rsquo;ils vont passer pour les salauds mais ils assument. Le film va leur permettre, en rejouant devant ma cam\u00e9ra les meurtres qu&rsquo;ils ont commis, de remettre un couche de fiction sur la v\u00e9rit\u00e9 qui les hante toutes les nuits. The Act of killing est sans doute le film le plus populaire en Indon\u00e9sie. Les projections officielles sont interdites, bien \u00e9videmment, mais tout le monde l&rsquo;a vu lors de s\u00e9ances sauvages qui ont lieu quotidiennement sur grand \u00e9cran devant cinq cents personnes. Les langues se d\u00e9lient. La peur change progressivement de camp. Les Indon\u00e9siens savent que le roi est nu.\u00a0\u00bb <strong>Joshua Oppenheimer<\/strong>,\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telerama.fr\/cinema\/the-act-of-killing-trois-extraits-commentes-par-son-realisateur-joshua-oppenheimer,96089.php\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.telerama.fr\/cinema\/the-act-of-killing-trois-extraits-commentes-par-son-realisateur-joshua-oppenheimer,96089.php<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: courier new,courier;\">\u00ab\u00a0C\u2019\u00e9tait comme si on tuait dans l&rsquo;all\u00e9gresse\u00a0\u00bb. C\u2019est l&rsquo;histoire mais du point de vue des tueurs, des bourreaux, pas des victimes. Ils sont les \u00ab\u00a0gangsters\u00a0\u00bb, les \u00ab\u00a0hommes libres\u00a0\u00bb. Ils jouent leur propre r\u00f4le et ils jouent le r\u00f4le de leurs victimes. Ils se disputent sur la signification des mots cruaut\u00e9 et sadisme. Ils disent qu&rsquo;ils sont plus cruels que dans les films, beaucoup plus, et beaucoup plus cruels que les communistes. \u00ab\u00a0Moi, je les regardais mourir. &#8211; Tous, tu les as tous regard\u00e9 mourir.\u00a0\u00bb Ils tournent des sc\u00e8nes avec des habitants d&rsquo;un village qui jouent les victimes, dont ils sortent presque aussi choqu\u00e9s que les figurants. Ils rient, ils font des blagues atroces, dansent, mettent en sc\u00e8ne leurs cauchemars, crient action ou coupez, apostrophent le metteur en sc\u00e8ne, \u00ab\u00a0Josh!\u00a0\u00bb, sont maquill\u00e9s, ferment les yeux de la t\u00eate d\u00e9capit\u00e9e qu&rsquo;ils n&rsquo;avaient pas ferm\u00e9s et qui les hantent, se pavanent ou se convulsent de d\u00e9gout \u00e0 l&rsquo;id\u00e9e de ce qu&rsquo;ils ont fait. Ils voulaient qu&rsquo;on sache la v\u00e9rit\u00e9.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Re: The Act of killing<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u00ab Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 04:18:35 pm \u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">mmm, je me demande pourquoi tu as voulu le voir ;)<br \/>\n\u00e7a me fait penser au film de manoel de oliveira sur la procession religieuse dans le petit village des ann\u00e9es 60&#8230; j&rsquo;ai encore oubli\u00e9 son nom<\/p>\n<p><strong>Re: The Act of killing<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u00ab Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 05:49:44 pm \u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: courier new,courier;\">non, tu sais, \u00e7a ne ressemble \u00e0 rien de connu. ce sont des criminels, des hommes qui ont commis des actes de grande cruaut\u00e9, de sadisme comme ils disent, qui ont tortur\u00e9, tu\u00e9, viol\u00e9 &#8211; \u00ab\u00a0je les pr\u00e9venais, je leur disais : tu vas conna\u00eetre les pires moments de ta vie et moi je vais conna\u00eetre le paradis\u00a0\u00bb, qui sont rest\u00e9s impunis et qui font un film, qui les bouleverse. j&rsquo;ai plusieurs fois eu envie de sortir, tellement c&rsquo;est insupportable, je suis rest\u00e9e, me disant que la suite peut-\u00eatre apporterait un \u00e9l\u00e9ment d\u2019apaisement. je n&rsquo;ai pas eu tort.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Re: The Act of killing<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u00ab Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 06:08:09 pm \u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">J&rsquo;en avais d\u00e9j\u00e0 entendu parler ici :<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.critikat.com\/The-Act-of-Killing.html\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.critikat.com\/The-Act-of-Killing.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\u00c7a m&rsquo;avait plut\u00f4t convaincu de me tenir \u00e0 distance.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Re: The Act of killing<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u00ab Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:43:17 pm \u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: courier new,courier;\">je pense que cette critique est injuste. malheureusement, je me rends compte que je suis mal plac\u00e9e pour en parler, quand il s&rsquo;agit d&rsquo;\u00e9couter des criminels, ayant souffert d&rsquo;avoir moi-m\u00eame eu un oncle criminel, assassin. bien s\u00fbr, il me semble l\u00e0 que je tire une corde des plus suspectes, dramaticollantes, pour justifier d&rsquo;avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 touch\u00e9e par ce film, mais tant pis. de mon point de vue, et c&rsquo;est le seul qui compte \u00e0 mes yeux, je ne suis pas tr\u00e8s courageuse non plus.<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: courier new,courier;\">ce film m&rsquo;a boulevers\u00e9e. et j&rsquo;ai \u00e9t\u00e9 heureuse d&rsquo;apprendre, de la \u00ab\u00a0bouche\u00a0\u00bb d&rsquo;oppenheimer, \u00e9videmment, \u00e7a aussi, c&rsquo;est suspect, qu&rsquo;il avait boulevers\u00e9 l&rsquo;indon\u00e9sie. on voit dans ce film faire des gens qui ne savent pas ce qu&rsquo;ils font, ce qu&rsquo;ils cherchent, et cela nous laisse pantois. brandir le mot sacro-saint mot \u00ab\u00a0spectaculaire\u00a0\u00bb est compr\u00e9hensible, on est souvent dans le grotesque, on hallucine face \u00e0 ce qui para\u00eet b\u00eatise \u00e0 l&rsquo;\u00e9tat pur, mais on sait \u00e0 chaque instant que ce spectaculaire, ce grotesque, cette b\u00eatise r\u00e9pondent de choses dont nous ne savons rien, de crimes inhumains, qui n&rsquo;ont jamais, jusque l\u00e0, trouv\u00e9 \u00e0 \u00eatre qualifi\u00e9 comme tels, dont les perp\u00e9treurs ne savent sur quel pied parler. je crois que ce qui leur a manqu\u00e9, c&rsquo;est d&rsquo;un proc\u00e8s. ce sont tout de m\u00eame des gens tr\u00e8s particuliers, qui ont fait commis ces crimes et qui sont aujourd&rsquo;hui toujours craints, toujours proches du pouvoir. pour moi, c&rsquo;est peut-\u00eatre un peu comme s&rsquo;ils avaient pris en charge leur propre proc\u00e8s, et que, au moins pour certains d&rsquo;entre eux, ils se soient reconnus coupables. la \u00ab\u00a0repr\u00e9sentation\u00a0\u00bb est une grande chose, c&rsquo;est une chose qui r\u00e9v\u00e8le et qui soigne, me dis-je. et qui soigne aussi ceux qui ont vu ce film, qu&rsquo;aujourd&rsquo;hui tout le monde a vu en indon\u00e9sie. je dis \u00e7a, tout en regrettant les mots que je signe ici-m\u00eame. tout en me disant words words words. et ce n&rsquo;est toujours pas \u00e7a. de m\u00eame que je ne devrais pas me laisser \u00e0 la facilit\u00e9 d&rsquo;ajouter que mon oncle, pass\u00e9 aux assises, a remerci\u00e9 ses juges, a remerci\u00e9 le ciel d&rsquo;\u00eatre pass\u00e9 en jugement : pour une fois, a-t-il dit, justice a \u00e9t\u00e9 faite. ce film, il faut le voir, ou ne pas le voir. anyway, il y a peu de choses, \u00e0 mon sens, qui feront jamais qu&rsquo;on sera \u00e0 la hauteur de la r\u00e9alit\u00e9. je me vois moi, condamn\u00e9e \u00e0 vivre en de\u00e7\u00e0 de la grandeur humaine, et j&rsquo;aurai, jusqu&rsquo;au bout, l&rsquo;impression que les mots me manquent tandis que quelque chose cloche en leur royaume. mais ce film, pour moi, c&rsquo;est du beau boulot, une belle chose humaine. que d&rsquo;autres le voient comme une saloperie. au fond, c&rsquo;est possible aussi. ce qui m&rsquo;a toujours fait peur c&rsquo;est qu&rsquo;on peut faire dire n&rsquo;importe quoi aux mots, quand de ce film on sort pantois(e). et tant pis pour la critique cin\u00e9matographique. et la critique tout court, d&rsquo;ailleurs. c&rsquo;est un art, qu&rsquo;\u00e0 mon sens, les fran\u00e7ais prisent beaucoup trop. :))<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><!--more-->Re: The Act of killing<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u00ab Reply #8 on: Today at 11:34:06 am \u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">un autre article, qui va dans le sens de http:\/\/www.critikat.com\/The-Act-of-Killing.html mais de fa\u00e7on plus nuanc\u00e9e :<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.insideindonesia.org\/feature-editions\/review-an-act-of-manipulation\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.insideindonesia.org\/feature-editions\/review-an-act-of-manipulation<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Joshua Oppenheimer\u2019s The Act of Killing is a bold, disturbing and ultimately unsatisfactory exploration of the place of violence in modern Indonesia<\/p>\n<p>Whatever might be criticised in the rest of the film, anyone interested in modern Indonesia will want to watch the scenes in which Safit Pardede prowls through the Medan market collecting cash from his small-trader victims. Manipulative and misleading The Act of Killing may be; it is nonetheless an extraordinarily powerful film which we should not ignore.<br \/>\n&#8211; <strong>Robert Cribb<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Re: The Act of killing<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>\u00ab Reply #9 on: Today at 12:00:22 pm \u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>tandis qu&rsquo;au plus je lis, au plus je me dis que c&rsquo;est un film tout \u00e0 fait d\u00e9fendable. ici, le t\u00e9moignage d&rsquo;un une indon\u00e9sien trouv\u00e9 l\u00e0 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/programmes\/101east\/2012\/12\/2012121874846805636.html%29\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/programmes\/101east\/2012\/12\/2012121874846805636.html%29<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&lsquo;The Act of Killing&rsquo;<\/p>\n<p>By <strong>Syarina Hasibuan<\/strong>, producer<\/p>\n<p>When a friend told me of a documentary about an executioner involved in the killing of alleged communists in 1965, I did not believe her. I had never heard of anyone confessing to this &#8211; let alone a documentary about it screening at international film festivals. I was dying to see it and, luckily enough, I was one of the first Indonesians, along with a small group of journalists, to attend a secret screening of The Act of Killing in Jakarta. We were told not to reveal the location of the screening for security reasons, which reveals just how sensitive this bloody period in Indonesian history remains today.<\/p>\n<p>After I watched it I felt shocked, confused and betrayed. Shocked to find out how horrible the situation was at that time &#8211; with people living in fear and killings taking place everywhere, every day. Confused because I did not know what to think of Anwar Congo, the executioner in the film. Somehow I did not hate him because I saw him as an uneducated man, brainwashed by the government into believing that he was doing the right thing by killing all those people. It was clear that his actions haunted him for life. I felt betrayed because the government never told us the real story when I was growing up. They lied to us. And now I wanted to know more.<\/p>\n<p>As an Indonesian who grew up during President Suharto&rsquo;s &lsquo;New Order&rsquo; regime, I was taught that the Indonesian Communist Party (PKI), which was one of the biggest political parties in 1965, was violent and that its members did not believe in God. When I was a child, if we hated someone we used to call him or her a communist &#8211; meaning that we thought the person was evil. That is how brainwashed I was.<\/p>\n<p>In elementary school every year on September 30, teachers would ask us to watch a three-and-a-half hour long government sponsored film about how the Communist Party had planned to topple the government. The film showed how, on one day in 1965, the PKI had kidnapped seven top military men in the middle of the night, killed one of them in front of his wife and children, and brought the others to a rubber plantation, where they tortured and mutilated them. Throughout it all, they were singing, dancing and shouting \u00ab\u00a0Kill! Kill! Kill!\u00a0\u00bb. Then they threw the dead bodies into a well.<\/p>\n<p>Many of the scenes in that film were too violent for elementary school students to watch. But I guess the aim was to brainwash the younger generation, to imprint the most gruesome parts of that film onto our brains so that whenever we heard of the PKI we thought of evil. And, for a long time, it worked.<\/p>\n<p>I grew up not understanding what actually happened in 1965; I did not know that maybe up to three million people had been killed because they were accused of being involved in the PKI. If my parents or grandparents knew about it, they never spoke of it.<\/p>\n<p>After watching The Act of Killing I felt we should make our own story about the killings. I talked to victims, executioners, witnesses and investigators to find out more about what actually happened. And the more I talked to people, the more gruesome the picture that formed in my head.<\/p>\n<p>After the military accused the PKI of being behind the murder of the seven military men, PKI members all over Indonesia were hunted down, put in prison without trial, tortured or killed. Civilians and students from religious boarding schools were used as executioners. And the military released some of the most violent criminals from prisons and ordered them to carry out executions. Hundreds of dead bodies were found floating in rivers every day.<\/p>\n<p>The situation was so chaotic that a person could easily be accused of being a PKI member simply because someone did not like them. Killings even happened between family members.<\/p>\n<p>Ndoren is an old man who does not know his real age. He has only two teeth left, but smiles a lot. He told us he was an executioner. We went with him to Luweng Tikus, or the Rat hole as local people call it &#8211; the location where soldiers forced him to kill more than 40 people, some of whom he knew personally.<\/p>\n<p>In front of the 42 metre deep hole he told us his story, continuously warning us not to go any closer. The alleged communists were brought in by the military after walking in the dark for hours, with their hands tied. They were lined up in front of the hole. Then, one by one, Ndoren hit each of them on the back of the head with a crowbar and threw them into the hole. He said they hardly struggled, as if they had already accepted that they were going to die.<\/p>\n<p>The stench from the hole was so bad that villagers far away could not bear it. The hole was covered until 2002 when human rights activists opened it up and found human bones and skulls inside.<\/p>\n<p>After Suharto&rsquo;s downfall 14 years ago, people cautiously started to speak out. Victims and human rights organisations asked the government to at least apologise for what happened. Nearly 50 years after the events of those years, the National Commission for Human Rights conducted a four-year long investigation into the case and concluded that crimes against humanity were committed and that the military was responsible.<\/p>\n<p>Still nothing much changed. I am happy that elementary school students no longer have to watch the same propaganda film we were forced to endure. But Indonesia&rsquo;s &lsquo;killing fields&rsquo; remain absent from the history books. The communists are still considered devil-like in the eyes of many Indonesians and grandchildren of Communist Party members still do not want to admit to this in public. There are still those who prefer not to talk about what happened in 1965. Why open up old wounds, they say. Let us keep it buried.<\/p>\n<p>But there are also many Indonesians, like myself, who want to know what really happened. What is it that has divided our country for so long? Did the PKI really plan a coup and kill those army generals, even though their position was so strong at the time? What was it that made my fellow Indonesians so willing to kill one another that they would even execute family members?<\/p>\n<p>I am happy that they have partially excavated Luweng Tikus and found the skeletons. But many others remain scattered across Indonesia. And we have a long way to go before we have all the answers we deserve. I believe that if we want to learn from the past we must know the truth about our history.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Act of killing \u00ab Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 02:58:06 pm \u00bb \u00a0\u00bb rawhful 2 months ago I just saw this film today. It is one of the darkest, most intense films I have ever seen. One of the best documentaries ever made in my opinion. The tone of the film is both arresting&hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/2013\/05\/the-act-of-killing\/\">Poursuivre la lecture <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">The Act of killing<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":11,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[944,866],"class_list":["post-11339","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-non-classe","tag-cinema","tag-oncle-jean","entry"],"acf":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11339","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/11"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11339"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11339\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11339"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11339"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11339"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}