{"id":17727,"date":"2016-11-01T07:34:00","date_gmt":"2016-11-01T06:34:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/?p=17727"},"modified":"2016-11-27T18:56:35","modified_gmt":"2016-11-27T17:56:35","slug":"re-discipline","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/2016\/11\/re-discipline\/","title":{"rendered":"Re: discipline \u00ab Reply #25"},"content":{"rendered":"
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\"Online\"<\/a> eoik<\/a><\/div>\n
Re: discipline\u00a0<\/b><\/div>\n
\u00ab Reply #25 <\/strong>on:<\/strong> November 01, 2016, 07:34:50 pm \u00bb<\/div>\n
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ces histoires de projet me rappellent Bataille<\/strong>.\u00a0 je l’avais d\u00e9couvert vers l’\u00e2ge de 22 ans. lui qui m’avait permis de me d\u00e9partir,\u00a0 d\u00e9p\u00eatrer, m’\u00e9loigner du projet la t\u00eate haute.<\/p>\n

l\u00e0, une consultation rapide de Google me rappelle que si Bataille ne voulait plus du projet, cela partait chez lui d’une volont\u00e9 d’en finir avec le langage (dans lequel il semblait\u00a0 pourtant bien install\u00e9, un poisson dans l’eau) et celle d’aller vers d’autres formes de communication, directes, non m\u00e9di\u00e9es.<\/strong><\/p>\n

d\u00e9cid\u00e9ment quelque chose qui continue de me diviser. m\u00eame si je ne pense plus qu\u2019on puisse quitter le langage. au moins cesser d\u2019en vouloir comme seul habitat et inclure dans son emploi la conscience de ce qui ne lui ob\u00e9it pas et qui existe. vivre dans des mondes d\u00e9chir\u00e9s. au c\u0153ur de la f\u00ealure de ces mondes qui s\u2019engendrent et s\u2019ignorent. (car\u00a0 le r\u00e9el auquel Bataille voudrait atteindre de fa\u00e7on non-m\u00e9di\u00e9e est encore un r\u00e9el n\u00e9 de la rencontre avec le langage, que le langage n\u2019est pas seul \u00e0 atteindre, n\u2019atteint pas seul, ce \u00e0 quoi il faut faire place dans l\u2019usage du langage, dans le discours courant.)<\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.revue-klesis.org\/pdf\/Klesis-Varia-III-4-La-nudite-totale-chez-Georges-Bataille-Avargues.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n

\u00ab\u00a0D\u2019une\u00a0 fa\u00e7on\u00a0 analogue,\u00a0 cette\u00a0 qu\u00eate\u00a0 vise\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 mettre\u00a0 en\u00a0 cause\u00a0 la\u00a0 fiction\u00a0 du langage<\/strong>\u00a0 ;\u00a0 fiction\u00a0 qui,\u00a0 incontestablement,\u00a0 constitue\u00a0 le\u00a0 narcotique\u00a0 le\u00a0 plus\u00a0 ancr\u00e9 dans\u00a0 nos\u00a0 existences\u00a0 humaines.\u00a0 Si\u00a0 le\u00a0 langage\u00a0 est\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 mettre\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 bas,\u00a0 c\u2019est\u00a0 parce\u00a0 qu\u2019il forme\u00a0 une\u00a0 m\u00e9diation\u00a0 entre\u00a0 moi\u00a0 et\u00a0 le\u00a0 monde,\u00a0 et\u00a0 donc\u00a0 un\u00a0 obstacle\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 leur rencontre.\u00a0<\/strong> En\u00a0 effet,\u00a0 toute\u00a0 mise\u00a0 en\u00a0 mot\u00a0 modifie,\u00a0 transforme,\u00a0 et\u00a0 en\u00a0 un\u00a0 certain\u00a0 sens trahit\u00a0 l\u2019exp\u00e9rience.\u00a0 Parce\u00a0 que\u00a0 le\u00a0 langage\u00a0 a\u00a0 pour\u00a0 fonction\u00a0 de\u00a0 cat\u00e9goriser\u00a0 et d\u2019\u00e9tablir\u00a0 des\u00a0 distinctions\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 ce\u00a0 qui\u00a0 n\u2019en\u00a0 a\u00a0 pas\u00a0 n\u00e9cessairement\u00a0 dans\u00a0 l\u2019exp\u00e9rience, ou,\u00a0 au\u00a0 contraire,\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 cr\u00e9er\u00a0 des\u00a0 liens\u00a0 l\u00e0\u00a0 o\u00f9\u00a0 ils\u00a0 sont\u00a0 inexistants 9 ,\u00a0 ils\u00a0 ne\u00a0 peuvent\u00a0 que g\u00e2cher\u00a0 l\u2019exp\u00e9rience\u00a0 en\u00a0 question.\u00a0 En\u00a0 outre,\u00a0 et\u00a0 parce\u00a0 que\u00a0 l\u2019on\u00a0 \u00e9choue,\u00a0 en\u00a0 tant qu\u2019humains,\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 sortir\u00a0 de\u00a0 la\u00a0 mise\u00a0 en\u00a0 mots,\u00a0 Bataille\u00a0 d\u00e9finit\u00a0 le\u00a0 langage\u00a0 comme\u00a0 une cage\u00a0 dont\u00a0 les\u00a0 barreaux\u00a0 nous\u00a0 s\u00e9pareraient\u00a0 du\u00a0 monde.\u00a0 C\u2019est\u00a0 dans\u00a0 ce\u00a0 contexte\u00a0 qu\u2019il exprime,\u00a0 et\u00a0 ce\u00a0 via\u00a0 une\u00a0 \u00e9criture\u00a0 po\u00e9tique\u00a0 qui\u00a0 se\u00a0 veut\u00a0 \u2015\u00a0 tragiquement\u00a0 \u2015\u00a0 une r\u00e9volte\u00a0 du\u00a0 langage\u00a0 au\u00a0 sein\u00a0 du\u00a0 langage,\u00a0 la\u00a0 souffrance\u00a0 de\u00a0 sa\u00a0 captivit\u00e9\u00a0 dans\u00a0 les bornes langagi\u00e8res et la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 absolue d\u2019en sortir :<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00ab\u00a0 je\u00a0 ne\u00a0 peux\u00a0 plus\u00a0 souffrir\u00a0 \/\u00a0 ma\u00a0 prison.\u00a0 \/\u00a0 Je\u00a0 dis\u00a0 ceci\u00a0 \/\u00a0 am\u00e8rement:\u00a0 \/\u00a0 mots\u00a0 qui m\u2019\u00e9touffent,\u00a0 \/\u00a0 laissez-moi,\u00a0 \/\u00a0 l\u00e2chez-moi,\u00a0 \/\u00a0 j\u2019ai\u00a0 soif\u00a0 \/\u00a0 d\u2019autre\u00a0 chose\u00a0 (\u2026)\u00a0 \/\u00a0 Je\u00a0 hais cette vie d\u2019instrument\u00a0 \/\u00a0 je\u00a0 cherche une\u00a0 f\u00ealure, \/\u00a0 ma f\u00ealure,\u00a0 \/\u00a0 pour\u00a0 \u00eatre bris\u00e9\u00a0 \u00bb<\/span>10.<\/span><\/p>\n

Pour\u00a0 parvenir\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 sortir\u00a0 de\u00a0 cette\u00a0 cage,\u00a0 il\u00a0 s\u2019agit\u00a0 tout\u00a0 d\u2019abord\u00a0 de\u00a0 convenir,\u00a0 comme Bataille,\u00a0 que\u00a0 le\u00a0 \u00abmoi\u00bb\u00a0 n\u2019est\u00a0 qu\u2019une\u00a0 fiction\u00a0 langagi\u00e8re,\u00a0 qu\u2019une\u00a0 belle\u00a0 coquille vide.\u00a0 Puis,\u00a0 une\u00a0 fois\u00a0 comprise\u00a0 et\u00a0 accept\u00e9e\u00a0 la\u00a0 non\u00a0 existence\u00a0 du\u00a0 \u00abmoi\u00bb, l\u2019exigence\u00a0 du\u00a0 non\u00a0 savoir\u00a0 nous\u00a0 exhorte\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 briser\u00a0 l\u2019illusion\u00a0 de\u00a0 l\u2019ego\u00a0 pour\u00a0 s\u2019ouvrir absolument\u00a0 au\u00a0 monde\u00a0 qui\u00a0 nous\u00a0 entoure.\u00a0 Or,\u00a0 cette\u00a0 ouverture,\u00a0 que\u00a0 Bataille nomme\u00a0 tour\u00a0 \u00e0\u00a0 tour\u00a0 f\u00ealure,\u00a0 d\u00e9chirure,\u00a0 brisure,\u00a0 ne\u00a0 peut\u00a0 \u00eatre\u00a0 catalys\u00e9e\u00a0 que\u00a0 par l\u2019atteinte\u00a0 de\u00a0 la\u00a0 nudit\u00e9\u00a0 totale. \u00ab\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

8 Autrement dit au jugement que l\u2019existence n\u2019a aucun sens : que le monde tel qu\u2019il est ne devrait pas \u00eatre et que le monde tel qu\u2019il devrait \u00eatre ne peut exister.<\/span>
\n 9 Voir F. Nietzsche, Ainsi parlait Zarathoustra<\/em>, Paris, Livre de Poche, 1972 : \u00ab Les mots et les sons ne sont-ils pas des arcs-en-ciel et des ponts illusoires entre ce qui est \u00e9ternellement s\u00e9par\u00e9 ? \u00bb.<\/span>
\n 10 L\u2019exp\u00e9rience int\u00e9rieure, p. 71.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

eoik Re: discipline\u00a0 \u00ab Reply #25 on: November 01, 2016, 07:34:50 pm \u00bb \u00a0 ces histoires de projet me rappellent Bataille.\u00a0 je l’avais d\u00e9couvert vers l’\u00e2ge de 22 ans. lui qui m’avait permis de me d\u00e9partir,\u00a0 d\u00e9p\u00eatrer, m’\u00e9loigner du projet la t\u00eate haute. l\u00e0, une consultation rapide de Google me rappelle que si Bataille ne… Poursuivre la lecture Re: discipline \u00ab Reply #25<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":12,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1813,1814,1570],"class_list":["post-17727","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-non-classe","tag-georges-bataille","tag-re-discipline","tag-stromboli","entry"],"acf":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17727","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/12"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17727"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17727\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17727"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17727"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.disparates.org\/iota\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17727"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}